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이번 진급에 노조는 무엇을 하였나?

작성자 : 조합원

조회 : 4,178, 작성 : 16-03-18 05:34

진급이 발표되었다. 기준도 없는 진급에 정말 대단하다라는 말뿐

어떠한 말도 이야기할 수 없었다.

노조에서는 조합원을 위해 무엇을 하였단 말인가?

노조 안건에 나온 캐취업이니 등등 다 좋다.

그런데 결과로는 말도 안되는 일뿐 어떤것도 변경되지 않았다..

제발 조합원으로서 부탁한다.

어이없는 것들에 대해 변화 좀 가져다 달라고.

매번 말도 안되는 이런 진급 발표와 말도 안되는 궤변만 갖다 붙이는

팀장에 지치고 변경되지 않는 결과에 대응 없는 노조에 지친다.

조합원	너무 노동조합을 높이 평가하시는분이신가 보네요... 인사권은 회사에 고유 권한입니다.. 노동조합이 아무리 강해도 그것을 침할수 없지요.. 하지만 바꿀수는 있습니다.. 강성노조에서 투쟁으로 정면돌파하면 만들어 낼수 있지요.. 집행부 여러분 투쟁 부탁드립니다.. 말도 안되는 저들에 인사권 투쟁으로 말도 안되는곳에 조합비좀 사용하지 마시구요... 감사하시는분 얘기로는 조직사업하시는데 3~4명이서 식비로 30만원 넘게 사용한다는 소리를 하시던데... 또한 요즘 부평 베이커리 사업에 참여조합원 1인당 약 10만원씩 사용하는것으로 알고 있는데... 다 좋습니다.. 복지 좋지요.. 일부 나눠먹기 조합비 사용보다는 모두가 원하는 투쟁을 해주세요~ 투쟁이 동반 되지 않는 복지만 있는 노조는 더이상 조합이 아닙니다.. 회사조직이지요... 쉬운말로 어용** ㅋㅋ 16-03-18 07:58


너무 노동조합을 높이 평가하시는분이신가 보네요... 인사권은 회사에 고유 권한입니다.. 노동조합이 아무리 강해도 그것을 침할수 없지요.. 하지만 바꿀수는 있습니다.. 강성노조에서 투쟁으로 정면돌파하면 만들어 낼수 있지요.. 집행부 여러분 투쟁 부탁드립니다.. 말도 안되는 저들에 인사권 투쟁으로 말도 안되는곳에 조합비좀 사용하지 마시구요... 감사하시는분 얘기로는 조직사업하시는데 3~4명이서 식비로 30만원 넘게 사용한다는 소리를 하시던데... 또한 요즘 부평 베이커리 사업에 참여조합원 1인당 약 10만원씩 사용하는것으로 알고 있는데... 다 좋습니다.. 복지 좋지요.. 일부 나눠먹기 조합비 사용보다는 모두가 원하는 투쟁을 해주세요~ 투쟁이 동반 되지 않는 복지만 있는 노조는 더이상 조합이 아닙니다.. 회사조직이지요... 쉬운말로 어용** ㅋㅋ

인사권	인사권이 회사의 고유 권한은 아니 지요. 대의원과 지회및 노동 조합의 협조 없이 회사가 돌아 갑니까? 조합 간부들이 회사 정책에 어느정도 협조를 하고 있기 때문에 각 선거구 대의원과 지회및 조합이 당연히 인사권을 행사 할수 있는 권한이 있다고 봅니다 간부 들이 회사 경영에 직 간접적으로 참여를 하고 있기 때문에 인사권에 관여를 하는 것이 당연하고 맞다고 봅니다 인사권이 회사의 고유 권한이란 말은 엤말 입니다 대의원과 조합 간부 들이 적극 적으로 인사권에 관여 하고 잘뭇 된 인사를 깨 부셔야 합니다. 각 선거구 조합원을 위해서 필요 한 조합 활동 입니다. 16-03-18 08:30


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조합원	집행부에 의견 제시?? 집행부에서 어떻게 하면 조합원의 권익, 권리, 후생복지 향상을 위해 고민하고 연구하는 우리 조합원이 월급줘서 그것만 전문적으로 일하는분이 20명이 넘는다. 누구보다 전략/전술을 잘 알고 잘 할 것이다. 그럴 능력 없으면 현업해야 하는 것이고, 문제는 조합원이 주인이고 월급을 주는데, 조합원의 의견 목소리를 귀담아 듣지않고 본연의 할일을 하지않는데 있다. Catch-up, 승진 문제등 조합원의 Hot Issue 사항에 대해 회사와 제대로 싸우지 않고 진행사항에 대해 공유하지 않는 것에서 부터 출발한다. 게시판에 한참을 울어야 소식지에 몇자 활동사항 나열하는 수준이다. 어제 식당에서 나눠주는 소식지만봐도 내용이 없다. 매번 회사에 대고 소식지로만 가만있지 않을 것이다. 투쟁 할 것이다. 웅얼거리고 있다. 집행부는 조합사무실 책상만 지키지말고 발로 뛰며 조합원의 의견을 듣고, 설명하고 동의를 구하는 활동을 해야한다. 또, Detail하게 전략을 연구/고민하여 사무직답게 논리적으로 회사와 협상해야 한다. 최근 게시판에 올라오는 글을 보면 정말 예전의 활기 넘치던 사무지회는 어디를 갔는지 많이 아쉽다. 16-03-18 14:49


집행부에 의견 제시?? 집행부에서 어떻게 하면 조합원의 권익, 권리, 후생복지 향상을 위해 고민하고 연구하는 우리 조합원이 월급줘서 그것만 전문적으로 일하는분이 20명이 넘는다. 누구보다 전략/전술을 잘 알고 잘 할 것이다. 그럴 능력 없으면 현업해야 하는 것이고, 문제는 조합원이 주인이고 월급을 주는데, 조합원의 의견 목소리를 귀담아 듣지않고 본연의 할일을 하지않는데 있다. Catch-up, 승진 문제등 조합원의 Hot Issue 사항에 대해 회사와 제대로 싸우지 않고 진행사항에 대해 공유하지 않는 것에서 부터 출발한다. 게시판에 한참을 울어야 소식지에 몇자 활동사항 나열하는 수준이다. 어제 식당에서 나눠주는 소식지만봐도 내용이 없다. 매번 회사에 대고 소식지로만 가만있지 않을 것이다. 투쟁 할 것이다. 웅얼거리고 있다. 집행부는 조합사무실 책상만 지키지말고 발로 뛰며 조합원의 의견을 듣고, 설명하고 동의를 구하는 활동을 해야한다. 또, Detail하게 전략을 연구/고민하여 사무직답게 논리적으로 회사와 협상해야 한다. 최근 게시판에 올라오는 글을 보면 정말 예전의 활기 넘치던 사무지회는 어디를 갔는지 많이 아쉽다.

사무노동자	위 조합원 댓들 집행부는 겸허히 받아 들이고 고맙게 생각하기 바란다. 아직도 조합을 걱정하는 조합원들이 많다는 점은 고무적인 일이다. 그리고 의견을 개진하면 비판이라고 생각하지 말고 최소한 받아들이는 척이라도 하길 바란다. 오죽하면 불통 집행부라고 하나? Catch-UP은 위 분 댓글 처럼 노사합의 안건에서도 무우 자르듯 잘라 버리고 빠져 있고 회보 어느 구석에도 보이지 않는다. Catch-UP대상 조합원들이 얼마나 많고 그렇게도 자유게시판에 많은 내용들이 개진하는데도 입을 닫고 있으면 어떻게 하나? 다음 회보에는 Catch-UP만을 특별호로 다루어 발행하기 바란다. 더 이상 조합원들의 소리가 메아리로만 들리지 않기 바란다 16-03-18 15:09


위 조합원 댓들 집행부는 겸허히 받아 들이고 고맙게 생각하기 바란다. 아직도 조합을 걱정하는 조합원들이 많다는 점은 고무적인 일이다. 그리고 의견을 개진하면 비판이라고 생각하지 말고 최소한 받아들이는 척이라도 하길 바란다. 오죽하면 불통 집행부라고 하나? Catch-UP은 위 분 댓글 처럼 노사합의 안건에서도 무우 자르듯 잘라 버리고 빠져 있고 회보 어느 구석에도 보이지 않는다. Catch-UP대상 조합원들이 얼마나 많고 그렇게도 자유게시판에 많은 내용들이 개진하는데도 입을 닫고 있으면 어떻게 하나? 다음 회보에는 Catch-UP만을 특별호로 다루어 발행하기 바란다. 더 이상 조합원들의 소리가 메아리로만 들리지 않기 바란다

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